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<div begin="4.00s" dur="2.00s">Well after Africa we had to change our whole</div>
<div begin="6.00s" dur="4.00s">doctrine on, when September 11th happened</div>
<div begin="10.00s" dur="3.00s">what we were going to do because we</div>
<div begin="13.00s" dur="2.00s">were so focused on these other</div>
<div begin="15.00s" dur="4.00s">missions with Bosnia and Africa that</div>
<div begin="19.00s" dur="2.00s">now we are going into a combat role.</div>
<div begin="21.00s" dur="2.00s">So we needed new gear.</div>
<div begin="23.00s" dur="2.00s">We didn’t have the proper equipment.</div>
<div begin="25.00s" dur="2.00s">We didn’t have all the stuff that we</div>
<div begin="27.00s" dur="3.00s">needed to go and do this mission but it</div>
<div begin="30.00s" dur="2.00s">came really quick and, you know,</div>
<div begin="32.00s" dur="4.00s">we had what we needed so in ’04 when</div>
<div begin="36.00s" dur="2.00s">I was first there we were driving</div>
<div begin="38.00s" dur="3.00s">around in the old Iltis jeeps, you know,</div>
<div begin="41.00s" dur="4.00s">no tops on them through cities and stuff.</div>
<div begin="45.00s" dur="2.00s">Soft skin vehicles is what we call them.</div>
<div begin="47.00s" dur="3.00s">So we were doing that.</div>
<div begin="50.00s" dur="3.00s">The attacks weren’t as frequent so</div>
<div begin="53.00s" dur="2.00s">at that point in 2004 we weren’t there in</div>
<div begin="55.00s" dur="4.00s">a combat role but we were there as part</div>
<div begin="59.00s" dur="4.00s">of the mission. So again we went back</div>
<div begin="64.00s" dur="3.00s">to doing what we do. We went out and</div>
<div begin="67.00s" dur="4.00s">we destroyed unexploded ordinances.</div>
<div begin="71.00s" dur="3.00s">We were doing checkpoints.</div>
<div begin="74.00s" dur="2.00s">We were looking for insurgency.</div>
<div begin="76.00s" dur="4.00s">So our tempo was a lot different than being</div>
<div begin="80.00s" dur="2.00s">on the peacekeeping mission in Africa.</div>
<div begin="82.00s" dur="4.00s">It was more strict in terms of, okay this is</div>
<div begin="86.00s" dur="3.00s">your daily routine, you’re doing this,</div>
<div begin="89.00s" dur="1.00s">this and this all day and come back and</div>
<div begin="90.00s" dur="2.00s">get ready and go do it again.</div>
<div begin="92.00s" dur="5.00s">So fast forward when I go back in ’07 we</div>
<div begin="97.00s" dur="2.00s">weren’t driving in soft skin vehicles through</div>
<div begin="99.00s" dur="3.00s">the city.  Everything was up-armoured.</div>
<div begin="102.00s" dur="2.00s">We were in a combat role so it was a</div>
<div begin="104.00s" dur="3.00s">combat mission and we knew that okay we</div>
<div begin="107.00s" dur="2.00s">were actually going to go and face the</div>
<div begin="109.00s" dur="5.00s">bad guys, the insurgency, the Taliban,</div>
<div begin="114.00s" dur="3.00s">whoever was there. And we were down</div>
<div begin="117.00s" dur="3.00s">south too so I went from being in Kabul</div>
<div begin="120.00s" dur="4.00s">to going south to Kandahar city and being</div>
<div begin="124.00s" dur="7.00s">part of the biggest force that we’ve been,</div>
<div begin="131.00s" dur="3.00s">that I’ve seen in my career at the time.</div>
<div begin="134.00s" dur="2.00s">All these nations come together and,</div>
<div begin="136.00s" dur="2.00s">you know, we are all on the same page so</div>
<div begin="138.00s" dur="2.00s">we had the same playbook and</div>
<div begin="140.00s" dur="5.00s">we went out and we brought it to them.</div>
<div begin="145.00s" dur="2.00s">We brought it to the bad guys.</div>
<div begin="150.00s" dur="2.00s">They were so used to conflict but</div>
<div begin="152.00s" dur="3.00s">I think in their eyes anything was better</div>
<div begin="155.00s" dur="3.00s">than what they had at the time so some</div>
<div begin="158.00s" dur="2.00s">villages were more receptive to us going</div>
<div begin="160.00s" dur="3.00s">through and being there than others and</div>
<div begin="163.00s" dur="2.00s">you could see that in their eyes,</div>
<div begin="165.00s" dur="3.00s">in the faces, in the expressions, you know,</div>
<div begin="168.00s" dur="1.00s">it would tell you a million things about</div>
<div begin="169.00s" dur="3.00s">a person by doing that.</div>
<div begin="172.00s" dur="3.00s">Some places were good.</div>
<div begin="175.00s" dur="5.00s">You know the children, kids are kids but</div>
<div begin="180.00s" dur="3.00s">we didn’t know. One day they were throwing</div>
<div begin="183.00s" dur="4.00s">rocks at us. Another day they would be</div>
<div begin="187.00s" dur="3.00s">throwing grenades at us. You don’t know.</div>
<div begin="190.00s" dur="2.00s">You are just driving down the road and</div>
<div begin="192.00s" dur="2.00s">you see them kids come up and they are</div>
<div begin="194.00s" dur="1.00s">laughing and giggling because they think</div>
<div begin="195.00s" dur="4.00s">it’s funny but someone has been paying</div>
<div begin="199.00s" dur="2.00s">them to go and do this so that was difficult</div>
<div begin="201.00s" dur="2.00s">having to find that balance on who</div>
<div begin="203.00s" dur="5.00s">we could trust. And then not knowing</div>
<div begin="208.00s" dur="4.00s">who we were fighting. We wouldn’t know,</div>
<div begin="212.00s" dur="2.00s">we didn’t know, you could put a name on</div>
<div begin="214.00s" dur="2.00s">a person but there was no uniform to</div>
<div begin="216.00s" dur="3.00s">identify them as being that person.</div>
<div begin="219.00s" dur="5.00s">So that was a challenge for us.</div>
<div begin="224.00s" dur="7.00s">And the elders, they wanted better</div>
<div begin="231.00s" dur="3.00s">things for their villages, you know,</div>
<div begin="234.00s" dur="2.00s">they wanted the water, they wanted</div>
<div begin="236.00s" dur="1.00s">more food and we tried to provide</div>
<div begin="237.00s" dur="2.00s">that to them so they were helping</div>
<div begin="239.00s" dur="2.00s">us in that aspect but  then you have</div>
<div begin="241.00s" dur="2.00s">this organization coming in behind</div>
<div begin="243.00s" dur="3.00s">us when we leave and feeding them</div>
<div begin="246.00s" dur="2.00s">lies and telling them no this is not</div>
<div begin="248.00s" dur="2.00s">the way and if you don’t do this then</div>
<div begin="250.00s" dur="2.00s">we are going to come back and we are</div>
<div begin="252.00s" dur="2.00s">going to hurt your family.</div>
<div begin="254.00s" dur="1.00s">So then they are caught, if we do this</div>
<div begin="255.00s" dur="1.00s">then this is going to happen and if we</div>
<div begin="256.00s" dur="3.00s">do that then this will happen so it was hard.</div>
<div begin="259.00s" dur="2.00s">It was hit and miss a lot of the time that I</div>
<div begin="261.00s" dur="5.00s">was there. And that’s only my experience.</div>
<div begin="266.00s" dur="7.00s">You’re a soldier first. We branched off and</div>
<div begin="273.00s" dur="4.00s">we were with an infantry company and</div>
<div begin="277.00s" dur="4.00s">our role was to find the improvised</div>
<div begin="281.00s" dur="4.00s">explosive devices and then call for our</div>
<div begin="285.00s" dur="2.00s">specialized teams to come out and destroy</div>
<div begin="287.00s" dur="3.00s">these devices as well as we were there</div>
<div begin="290.00s" dur="4.00s">to keep the routes, the roads open so that</div>
<div begin="294.00s" dur="4.00s">our allies could travel safely down any</div>
<div begin="298.00s" dur="2.00s">route that they needed to go down</div>
<div begin="300.00s" dur="3.00s">without being compromised.</div>
<div begin="303.00s" dur="7.00s">Any given day we could find, I don’t know</div>
<div begin="310.00s" dur="3.00s">maybe four of five devices but then there</div>
<div begin="313.00s" dur="2.00s">are the ones that we don’t see.</div>
<div begin="315.00s" dur="3.00s">So we were always at the front of the</div>
<div begin="318.00s" dur="4.00s">spear and we were always, if someone…</div>
<div begin="322.00s" dur="3.00s">I know a lot of my infantry buddies don’t</div>
<div begin="325.00s" dur="2.00s">like this but when they are all facing a</div>
<div begin="327.00s" dur="1.00s">situation where most people want to</div>
<div begin="328.00s" dur="2.00s">withdraw well then we’re going forward</div>
<div begin="330.00s" dur="2.00s">because we got to make sure that these</div>
<div begin="332.00s" dur="2.00s">guys can get through to their objective</div>
<div begin="334.00s" dur="4.00s">without getting hurt beforehand I guess is</div>
<div begin="338.00s" dur="4.00s">the easiest way to say it. Explosive ordinance</div>
<div begin="242.00s" dur="3.00s">disposals is just that. The country is littered</div>
<div begin="245.00s" dur="5.00s">with bombs from past wars through</div>
<div begin="250.00s" dur="6.00s">that country so it’s just littered. It’s nothing</div>
<div begin="256.00s" dur="2.00s">to walk down through a village and see</div>
<div begin="258.00s" dur="2.00s">all this stuff so we would get rid of</div>
<div begin="260.00s" dur="2.00s">it or as much of that as we could.</div>

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